Episode #350 – Using Red and Infrared Light to Reduce Pain and Inflammation with Forrest Smith

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In This Episode:

In this podcast, I interview red and infrared light expert Forrest Smith about the UV spectrum and how to use pulse wave red and infrared light to help reduce pain, improve blood flow, enhance mitochondrial health, support joint health and combat inflammation.

  • 06:45 Introduction to Forrest Smith
  • 07:45 Understanding the UV spectrum and where the light is going.
  • 09:30 How does UV light interact with our hemoglobin.
  • 11:00 Understanding the physiology of delivering oxygen to our blood tissue.
  • 12:50 Appreciating our body’s signaling functions.
  • 13:50 How our mitochondria create energy – and how UV light increases our energy generation.
  • 14:55 Reducing oxidative stress and improving inflammatory levels.
  • 18:20 An exciting insight into the new frontier of red-light therapy 
  • 20:00 Forrest’s goal of using light to offer people a natural alternative.
  • 25:38 An explanation of ‘pulse wave technology’
  • 34:00 How does Kineon’s laser work? Pulse or wave?
  • 35:15 What results are Forrest and his team seeing? 
  • 42:50 How long should you undergo a red-light therapy session? 
  • 45:00 Recommended time durations for acute injuries
  • 50:25 Last words and inspiration from Forrest

If you’ve considered using red and infrared light to reduce pain and inflammation in your body, then today’s episode of Functional Nutrition is just for you. We get red and infrared light naturally from the sun, and Dr. Jockers is a huge fan of red light therapy and how this groundbreaking technology is helping to heal our bodies.

In this week’s episode, Dr. Jockers is chatting to Forrest Smith about red light therapy and the clinical benefits of the UV spectrum. Forrest is the CEO of Kineon, a technology company with a focus on innovating light therapy devices and providing clinical-level treatments for lasting joint-pain relief in the comfort of your home.

As Forrest points out, it’s not so much about mimicking the technical specifications of other UV lights on the market, but rather understanding where that light is going in our body and which molecules are being triggered.

UV light does play an important role in delivering oxygen to our blood, which can help our recovery when we are suffering from an injury. Learn all about how our UV light interacts with our hemoglobin and the benefits of red light therapy in this illuminating interview.

Red light therapy and the work that Kineon is doing with their technology is an important area of wellness as we seek out natural solutions to joint pain that doesn’t involve pharmaceuticals and painkillers.

If you know of anyone dealing with pain, this is a phenomenal episode to send to them. Sharing is caring! Let’s dive into the show!


“If you have chronic inflammation, in a joint or soft tissue, being able to increase the blood flow and oxygen delivery to that space has been really, really effective.

-Forrest Smith

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